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I hear he has normal Secret Service, any other frequencies?

Checking DOS-DSS freqs would be a good move also. The Dalai is likely covered by DOS-DSS as opposed to USSS.

I believe USSS coverage is limited to our elected executive branch officials and candidates- especially right now post-Iowa. Many of the federal alphabet LE agencies TDY/'loan' agents to various protection teams for limited terms during times of high demand/movement such as election cycles (now): since they are chasing Renegade and Evergreen around the planet

It is also my understanding that the Department of State-Diplomatic Security Service provides protection for visiting high profile foreign diplomats while visiting the USA. The DSS also provides coverage to cabinet level and below appointed executives in and out of the US. The SOS (Rice) is covered by DSS as are other non-DOD executives.

Check local municipal trunked systems for 'new' TG's with liaison/coordination activity would be a good idea. Any Steven Segal freqs you know of might be good too (read on).

Please post what you come up with.

Good luck.
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Here is a interesting post that tends to corroborate my belief:
I dont know anything about the Dali
Submitted by guerciotti on Fri, 2007-10-19 17:02.

I dont know anything about the Dali, but whenever I see his name I always think of Steven Seagal.

Years ago on one of the Dali's visits to America, either my dad or my brother were telling me about how DOS DSS agents were pulling their hair out dealing with non-stop requests from Steven Seagal to meet with the Dali. Turns out Steven was supremely jealous of Richard Gere's access to the Dali and couldn't accept that the Dali could care less about poor Steven.

Perhaps it has something to do with how gerbils are revered in Buddhist culture.

When he was in Portland last, the DoS DSS was using 409.1500 MHz...

- Chris

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And the question remains unanswered:
"Why does a Lama need so many Reese Horses?" - Roseanne Roseannadanna- Circa 1978

When is the Dalai Lama comming? and what are some freqs? where is he going or is he just staying in Seattle?

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It's getting harder to tell "Who's on first". Sen. McCain has received protection from the FBI while in Southern California and elsewhere.

MTM you hit that one head-on: My observation is the FB1's don not play well with others and this is not an exception. In a previous post, I mentioned the practice of many agencies 'donating' agents to the USSS or DSS during times of need. The FB1's will not generally do this.

To clarify: They will take over a detail in totality or possibly accept some TDY manpower from another agency if there is no other alternative. Regardless, the FBI is rarely not in charge of whatever they do.

It is my belief that this practice comes from history coupled with agency pride:

In several books about Hoover, it has been well documented that in the years prior to the Kennedy Assassination, the the FBI wanted to completely absorb the USSS and also what is now the DEA. Some extrapolate from period documents that Hoover wanted the 'access' to POTUS, others think it was just to better position his spying/intel-gathering. Others, largely conspiracy theorists, think it was all for show. Who really knows.

One thing is certain- that when JFK was shot this movement also died. The believed internal thinking was that it was, in the long-run, a battle that would be won most of the time, but eventually, there could be another loss. That loss came with too great a potential political price- so Hoover decided to leave it be.

Same thinking with the DEA which is about as close to being a division of the FBI as you can get yet still a standalone agency. The thinking at the time that it was not a war that could ever be won, agents would be exposed to things/situations/substances/money that a regular agent would not normally be exposed to/tempted by. Truly valid linear thinking in my opinion.

Drug agents might 'contaminate' the rest of the agency if allowed to intermingle and cause 'ethics' problems across the board in the otherwise lilly-white-clean FBI. They also decided that internal investigations could be more easily isolated to other than the FBI at least in the publics eye. Again they decided the political price might be alot to pay.

Btw, has anyone heard if the USSS has begun to use a codename for McCain? I have read some threads joking about what it should be, but not if one has actually been selected. Some were pretty funny I must say.

Federal Agencies -- "do not play well" with each other for two reasons. ( 1. ) Money and ( 2. ) What each agency considers it's Duty or Area of Operation. The FBI can NOT assist the USSS -- BY LAW. Until Homeland Security became a Cabinet Department -- ATF, USSS, US Customs and the IRS were all part of the Treasury Dept. The FBI, DEA, INS - Border Patrol, Bur of Prisons and US Marhals were all under the Dept of Justice. BY LAW -- agents salary is taken from the yearly "Department" operations budget. CONGRESS and Federal Laws forbid one agency from doing the job of another agency. In fact, with the FCC, before any local field inspector can be sent to inspect a "Licensed" radio or TV station, money must be transfered from the "Mass Media Bureau -- Audio Services" to the "Field Operations Bureau" of the FCC along with a written request to preform the local inspection. Its a matter of law.

Admittedly, I have never received a paycheck directly from Uncle Sugar himself and I do not mean to be argumentative but your assertions are contrary to my firsthand experience. I hope we can civilly discuss this a bit more.

Respectfully: I think you are about half-correct but you have conflated policy & practice and actual law somewhere along the line;

1. The FBI does not TDY Agents to other Agencies- you assert because it is illegal. Thats fallacious. Nowhere in 28USC533 is cooperation precluded and therefore illegal. However, it can be interpreted either way and conveniently so in many cases.

Granted the paragraph on the back of ones creds tends to limit and focus your overall jurisdictive scope but it also enables one to make the argument you have- if you want to. It allows one to stand aside when you do not want to be involved.

2. Yes, I agree, Agencies are forbidden from 'Poaching' as it is called into another's jurisdiction. However,I was not talking about 'poaching'. I was discussing cooperation among agencies in the form of manpower loaned or given in a transparent quasi-administrative process- the TDY.

The FBI does not generally participate in these loans for the reasons I previously mentioned not because it is illegal but because they do not see the benefit to the agency. It is their policy and practice not to. That does not make it illegal. I understand that there are some legal barriers to work product sharing like the well known FBI/NSA/CIA interface issue that preceded 9/11 but that it really not what I am talking about either.

As an ATF ASAC friend says "Policy IS law" and by that he means that you would not want to move outside of policy without a very good and articulable reason. Most 'good' employees would agree and the the saying is practiced in most public agencies Federal or not. The only problem with the saying is that it is not law it is a guideline. I would respectfully assert that there is no law that would prevent any FCC employee from doing whatever duties the FCC directed him/her to perfor- 'other duties as assigned'. There may be a policy but not an actual law.

Likely you consider it law because it is the law you have to live by- aka agency policy which again is not law at all. Policy in this instance is just a way for bean-counters and over-thinkers to efficiently manage/control/account for the agency.

If I am truly wrong, please direct me to the specific United States Code section that requires the process you outlined:

"In fact, with the FCC, before any local field inspector can be sent to inspect a "Licensed" radio or TV station, money must be transfered from the "Mass Media Bureau -- Audio Services" to the "Field Operations Bureau" of the FCC along with a written request to preform the local inspection. Its a matter of law".

I have a buck that says you cannot find it. It is FCC Policy and Practice that exists to perform a management control function that allows funds to be tracked but NOT actual law- just the law you have to live by within the bureaucracy or face future 'I can make it rough for you' working condition penalties.

But to say it is actually illegal is a patently fallacious Statement.

I am not a cynic of the FBI, I think most of what they do they are in fact the best at it. They have tremendous training, resources and a very admirable Esprit d'Corps within. I do believe they do ELECT not to play well with others at times and persec coverage is but one example.

One fact that I have learned, as an engineer, a new proposed radio station, located on a hilltop might show a coverage area of 40 miles "ON PAPER". But in the "Real World" things operate differently. That same radio station might be able to be heard 50 or 60 miles away. -- Take the advice from your ATF friend. "Policy is law". As for the FCC, see the March 26, 2008 letter to Ms. Teresa Prieto -- FCC daily digest. The FCC staff told her that "Policy is law". You are beating a dead horse. That doesn't mean I don't agree with you in spirit. I am just reporting the facts. My best to you. Glad to have someone in this group with spirit. That said, everyday things change. And since Sept. 11 -- may things have changed. Homeland Security tops the list. Many more smaller working Inter-department, inter-agency -- Federal -State - Local law enforcement "task force" or "teams" -- have been established. Many you will never even hear about. Most, because they have special funding, and are limited to a specific enforcement effort or specific area of operation. Any 'Super-police group" -- with agents from almost every Federal Agency, can be put togather, provided that "special funding" is granted. No one works for free. Like the movie says "Follow the Money".

I personally know several Feebs who are detailed to do just that, and not ECTF or JTTF....Those are a whole 'nother ball of tar.

What goes in SoCal does not translate into SOP in the 'Great' Northwest.

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Never mind, it wasn't that funny

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So this guy walks into a bar with a tiny little piano.

Wait, you're right.

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