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| Author: | luminoxs [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=Di ... Archived=0 Yaesu announced that they are not going to do D-STAR and will be going to a DMR/Motorbro using the DMR-MARC network (http://www.dmr-marc.net). Not only are they not using D-STAR but slams D-STAR. |
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| Author: | Badger [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
luminoxs wrote: http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=111&encProdID=8B1A771611E9963B6AB769C0EC0F6B68&DivisionID=65&isArchived=0 Yaesu announced that they are not going to do D-STAR and will be going to a DMR/Motorbro using the DMR-MARC network (http://www.dmr-marc.net). Not only are they not using D-STAR but slams D-STAR. Thats cause Moto owns Yaesu |
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| Author: | luminoxs [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
True, but I have never seen one manufacture bad mouth another. I personally would want a 2 time slot TDMA system over D-STAR. I don't think you can put two D-STAR systems back to back on 6.25. Even though TRBO is 12.5, you get two voice channels on a single repeater. I wounder if this radio will work on existing TRBO systems.... |
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| Author: | KE7JFF [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
D-STAR has that bleed over issue that Icom is quietly ignoring as well. I knew Yaesu wouldn't support D-STAR...and this is good news! |
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| Author: | icom1020 [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
So I can monitor the GooglePlex in the The Dalles, now? |
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| Author: | KE7JFF [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
icom1020 wrote: So I can monitor the GooglePlex in the The Dalles, now? Or the Oregon Zoo or Clackamas Town Center.... |
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| Author: | N7QOR [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
KE7JFF wrote: D-STAR has that bleed over issue that Icom is quietly ignoring as well. I knew Yaesu wouldn't support D-STAR...and this is good news! The issue here is the radio, not the protocol. The protocol is quite good, as it integrates our call signs for signaling, where all other "solutions" require a work around that involves aliasing, registries etc... |
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| Author: | luminoxs [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
One Ham on another form said this that I agree 100% with... "It's a pity that the digital amateur radio market is going to be just as fragmented as the digital commercial market. Will the Yaesu/Motorola love child be an "open standard"? At least Icom only owns the name D-Star and not the protocol." The argument could be said that there is a dozen digital modes on HF. At least I can buy one box that does all of the modes, the same can't be said with digital voice. As far as the amateur off the self world goes, you have DV from alinco, DV from Icom/dstar and now Yaesu. Then commercially you have P25, DMR/Mototrbo, NXDN, IDAS, X2-TDMA and OpenSKY that can all be used on Amateur frequencies. Good luck trying to get one radio that does all of that. I believe it's getting to the point where you have to pick one protocol and stick with it... |
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| Author: | Badger [ Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
While I want a radio that does it all, and it would be "nice" if there was one protocol.. HAM radio is about innovation and creativity.. I wish it wasn't picking up commercial standards. I wish it was about blazing a trail to the future. All the above technologies are yesterday's news. Lets see LTE or beyond.. |
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| Author: | luminoxs [ Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
Badger wrote: I wish it wasn't picking up commercial standards. I wish it was about blazing a trail to the future. All the above technologies are yesterday's news. An already developed protocol is a lot cheaper than making one from scratch for the amateur market (and more likely to make a profit off of it). D-STAR was originally developed for the post office in Japan (Japan government paid for the R&D). They abandon it and used it for D-STAR. They tried again with enchantments and got IDAS out of it. |
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| Author: | Vizwar [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
luminoxs wrote: True, but I have never seen one manufacture bad mouth another. I personally would want a 2 time slot TDMA system over D-STAR. I don't think you can put two D-STAR systems back to back on 6.25. Even though TRBO is 12.5, you get two voice channels on a single repeater. I wounder if this radio will work on existing TRBO systems.... Hybrid combiner, done. The protocol itself makes no difference. |
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| Author: | Vizwar [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
luminoxs wrote: you have DV from alinco, DV from Icom/dstar and now Yaesu. Then commercially you have P25, DMR/Mototrbo, NXDN, IDAS, X2-TDMA and OpenSKY DMR = TRBO dPMR= NXDN P25 Phase I = What we know today P25 Phase II = *cough* TRBO *cough* iDAS & NEXEDGE are commercially branded NXDN radios I wouldn't call any of the above "open" standards but they aren't completely proprietary at all levels either, mostly just the trunking. OpenSKY to my knowledge is it's own proprietary protocol belonging to Harris Corp, formerly M/A Comm, formerly... ah forget it... |
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| Author: | Vizwar [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
luminoxs wrote: Badger wrote: I wish it wasn't picking up commercial standards. I wish it was about blazing a trail to the future. All the above technologies are yesterday's news. An already developed protocol is a lot cheaper than making one from scratch for the amateur market (and more likely to make a profit off of it). D-STAR was originally developed for the post office in Japan (Japan government paid for the R&D). They abandon it and used it for D-STAR. They tried again with enchantments and got IDAS out of it. What...? |
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| Author: | Vizwar [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
Badger wrote: While I want a radio that does it all, and it would be "nice" if there was one protocol.. HAM radio is about innovation and creativity.. I wish it wasn't picking up commercial standards. I wish it was about blazing a trail to the future. All the above technologies are yesterday's news. Lets see LTE or beyond.. HAMs should go poke the AARL in their side and get them to lobby the manufacturers for what the HAM community REALLY wants... and then watch the competition occur as they try to fulfill the demand. Until that happens, you'll continue to get whatever the OEM thinks you want. It worked for government and then public safety after APCO was formed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_25#History |
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| Author: | luminoxs [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Yaesu going to a LMR/Motorbro type radio |
Vizwar wrote: iDAS & NEXEDGE are commercially branded NXDN radios. Even though you can use a iDAS radio to talk with a NEXEDGE radio and vice versa in simplex or talkaround mode, you can use an iDAS on a NEXEDGE system or a NEXEDGE radio on an iDAS system... |
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