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| Author: | Sean [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Some think 911 is broken |
and some don't http://reasonablegovernment.com/ |
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| Author: | Rich [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some think 911 is broken |
Sean wrote: and some don't http://reasonablegovernment.com/ Here is a simple formula for converting political issues into truth: Follow The Money |
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| Author: | kb7dqh [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some think 911 is broken |
And that is the real answer... Once the money is followed, one realizes... (and this is their{ http://reasonablegovernment.com/ }point...) If prop one passes, far more money than is needed will be collected and spent... with no actual improvement in service to the community. Do they really need a completely new building for their PSAP??? Considerable expense has been made over the last decade or so upgrading the "old" VHF/UHF systems in Pierce County... far beyond mere "maintenance"... Some of this work I was personally involved with... A half-billion dollars 25 years ago bought Seattle a pretty big rathole under downtown complete with 2 miles of radiax and two complete repeater sites full of police/fire/transit radios... not to mention the SCADA network and all the CCTV... All Pierce County really needs to do is replace the radios with something the FCC can live with as far as bandwidth is concerned... That ought to hold them over until the economy recovers and then they can build their gold-plated dispatch center!!! Eric KB7DQH |
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| Author: | jclangs [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some think 911 is broken |
new bunkers for the folks hmmm .good radios with backup ok, I think backup psap should be across the state not in the county . If the county fails oh my . I also worked with the poor planning .\ Jack |
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| Author: | chpalmer [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some think 911 is broken |
Quote: I think backup psap should be across the state not in the county . If the county fails oh my . Backups are generally used for many other situations besides area disasters. If the entire county goes down then your people will probably go to a neighboring county or city dispatch, or the state EOC for support. Once you need dispatch from another agency then other factors come into play such as how to page out your fire departments, keep track of your resources, ect... |
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| Author: | B [ Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some think 911 is broken |
The biggest beneficiaries of this ballot measure are Tacoma's Firefighters. They'll take over dispatch for all of the county and be paid much higher than their police counterparts. All the while we'll continue to have to deal with call transfers, slowing down dispatches. The stupid part of this whole deal is that the people involved didn't lay the political groundwork to make this actually work. Puyallup and Fife are both pissed off and don't support it. If they were going to merge police and fire and do cross trained dispatchers a la just about everywhere else in the region, this would be worth supporting. But as it is now, it's a total waste of money for no real benefit. |
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| Author: | KE7JFF [ Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some think 911 is broken |
Separate dispatchers? What is this? 1985? |
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| Author: | N7QOR [ Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:25 am ] |
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KE7JFF wrote: Separate dispatchers? What is this? 1985? Seattle still does this, and it works very well. As for Tacoma Fire Fighters "being paid more", I did not see that in the "plan" to spend all this money. Proof again, that fear sells... |
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| Author: | Wilrobnson [ Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:48 am ] |
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For my $.02 worth, I like having TFD do their dispatching. The few times I've had to call them for something (2 emergency, one service), they've been top notch. On the service call, Puyallup's dispatcher, before she transferred me, had no idea what I was talking about. Once I got through to TFD, they knew exactly what I needed, who could help me, where the equipment I needed was, and sent someone out. |
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| Author: | yowzer [ Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:47 pm ] |
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N7QOR wrote: KE7JFF wrote: Separate dispatchers? What is this? 1985? Seattle still does this, and it works very well. No. No, it doesn't work very well. I call Seattle's 911 service all the time, mostly for requesting ALS responses. I know that I get a SPD call taker first, and just ask to be transferred to SFD dispatch. Most people aren't aware of this, and end up having to repeat themselves a couple of times, once for the SPD call taker, once for the SFD one once they get transferred. Then, for things like assaults with injuries or MVCs that get both fire and police responding, you end up in a conference call with 2 call takers and a radio dispatcher or two... a single point of contact works much, much, better. |
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| Author: | KE7JFF [ Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:21 pm ] |
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Portland I know no matter what call taker I get, they get the ball going. At work, I'm either requesting a police response or ALS response from AMR and/or PFR and they sort it out. Once in a full moon because of a goofy situation, they might transfer me to the AMR desk directly for further clarification, but thats after they put them on the line to listen. |
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| Author: | Atomic Taco [ Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:41 pm ] |
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yowzer wrote: N7QOR wrote: KE7JFF wrote: Separate dispatchers? What is this? 1985? Seattle still does this, and it works very well. No. No, it doesn't work very well. I call Seattle's 911 service all the time, mostly for requesting ALS responses. I know that I get a SPD call taker first, and just ask to be transferred to SFD dispatch. Most people aren't aware of this, and end up having to repeat themselves a couple of times, once for the SPD call taker, once for the SFD one once they get transferred. Then, for things like assaults with injuries or MVCs that get both fire and police responding, you end up in a conference call with 2 call takers and a radio dispatcher or two... a single point of contact works much, much, better. I think you guys are confusing dispatchers with call receivers. |
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| Author: | Sean [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:05 pm ] |
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It's getting a little testy. http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/10/2 ... -that.html http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/10/2 ... eeded.html http://reasonablegovernment.com/endorsements/ http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/ ... osition-1/ http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/ ... k=misearch http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/ ... k=misearch http://blog.thenewstribune.com/street/2 ... k=misearch http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/07/0 ... =mirelated Definitely not a slam dunk.. |
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| Author: | Vizwar [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:36 pm ] |
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http://reasonablegovernment.com/ wrote: They have been ignoring an FCC mandated radio upgrade for almost a decade. This is at most, a $30 million problem, and they want us to give them over $500 million to solve it. kb7dqh wrote: All Pierce County really needs to do is replace the radios with something the FCC can live with as far as bandwidth is concerned... That ought to hold them over until the economy recovers and then they can build their gold-plated dispatch center!!! It could be even easier than that... They could request a waiver from the FCC to maintain operation of their wide band equipment, citing economic hardship among their tax base as justification. So like KB7DQH said... "That ought to hold them over until the economy recovers and then they can build their gold-plated dispatch center!!!" |
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| Author: | Sean [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some think 911 is broken |
http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/pierce/bch/ ... 96958.html Another city calling out the county. |
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