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Author:  FireDawg89 [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:02 pm ]
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"Lifeline is Failing? Story tonight on King 5. Could this be a story about Public Safety Communications failing?

Author:  Sean [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:13 pm ]
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I think the Pierce County SO radio system is getting thrown under the bus.

Author:  chpalmer [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:39 pm ]
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Sean wrote:
I think the Pierce County SO radio system is getting thrown under the bus.


Just aired on KONG... Yep was a bus...

Author:  TMF [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:14 pm ]
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Oh brother! Wonder who convinced them they need a "digital" system?! :puke:

Author:  chpalmer [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:26 pm ]
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http://www.nwcn.com/news/Investigators- ... 52077.html

Author:  Wilrobnson [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:26 pm ]
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King Kong wrote:
Pierce County estimates it would cost anywhere from $17 million to $35 million for a new radio system.


Yeah...right. :roll: :puke:

Author:  luminoxs [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:59 am ]
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Why don't they use MDC1200? Kenwood should have it in their radios. Island Co (ICOM) is using it....

Author:  jrw14493 [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:39 am ]
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luminoxs wrote:
Why don't they use MDC1200? Kenwood should have it in their radios.


What model are they using?

Author:  Vizwar [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:48 am ]
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I know they have a VHF conventional repeated system right now. Are they leaning towards ASTRO25?

Author:  luminoxs [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:46 am ]
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I looks like they are using TK-390 http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Communication ... TK-290-390 . They do support FleetSync, MDC-1200/G-Star options and DTMF ANI formats. Kenwood make these to compete with the Motorola HT-1000/MTS2000 radios. They are good radios!

Author:  jrw14493 [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:22 am ]
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VHF would make them using the 290's. 390 is the UHF model.

Author:  cowboymike1971 [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:32 am ]
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I knew this would be a "blaming", someone or something piece when I saw it last week. In the ads it showed a reporter holding up a Kenwood Radio and i thought "ohhh boy here we go" It's amazing how the blaming starts when a tragedy occurs or in this case what like 6 tradgedies? So I suppose it's the radios faults and the "non-current" radio system huh? Sooo "hey lets spend millions and millions on a new digital radio system, that will protect officers" I would LOVE to hear the sales pitch that the radio sales person for whatever company spews at these people. AGAIN! the wrong thing, person, product gets blamed. It's typical anymore in society. Oh and i love how they said a "new Digital system" like all surrounding cities/counties have. LOL really?? Who? the base? Wait till they have a new Dig system and that has issues, then who will they blame. It wouldn't be the first. I've seen stories of depts. switching back to use a VHF or UHF system because the new fangled "digital radio system" FAILED! bigtime.





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Author:  Louie [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:43 am ]
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I really do hope something gets done about this system. Being a police explorer and learning the dead zones of the county, and also I've been to the dispatch center myself and it does get the dispatcher irritated when a transmisstion is not coming through

Author:  jrw14493 [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:02 am ]
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cowboymike1971 wrote:
I've seen stories of depts. switching back to use a VHF or UHF system because the new fangled "digital radio system" FAILED! bigtime.


+1 zillion trillion billion...hella

I love reading all the comments from the "radio technicians" on the King 5 site. :bowrofl:

Author:  luminoxs [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:34 am ]
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Well P25/ASTRO isn't the solution. I talk on D-STAR and P25. There is a threshold where the loss is too much for the vococder to recover. When I’m talking on digital and when we can't hear each other, we switch to analog and still able to carry the conversation. If they are having coverage issues now, it will only get worse by switching to P25 on their current system. 800 MHz trunking isn't an option for them. 800 works great for MAJOR cities with lots of users where there are no trees and inside of buildings. For as rural as Pierce county is, 800 isn't appropriate. VHF works allot better with hills and trees than 800 would. Why do you think that in king county, the fire is on 800 in the western part of the county and vhf on the eastern part of the co. Ask any KCSO or SCSO how their radios work out in the sticks... 800 works awesome when its saturated with sites (West simulcast of SERS) but you would need something like 3 to 4 800 sites to cover what one VHF repeater can do out in the sticks. When you’re inside someone’s home in a rural part of the county, I can understand why they couldn't get out. That’s why hams put up base antennas on their roof or do what someone on the board does, have a cross band repeat from a HT to a mobile so he can talk on simplex. I feel that his can be solved as simply as adding some vehicle repeaters and some new repeaters. I feel that they are trying to sell something that they won't need. Just my two cents.

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