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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:42 pm 
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:D THANK YOU Charlie, you all had me their I thought it had something to do with first aid first responce :? :idea:

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 Post subject: freqs for first response
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dose any one know the frequency that the First Response company brodcasts on those crappy new motorolas?


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they use an LTR trunked radio system. it's more than one freq

it's hit and miss but they get some good radio traffic going since they seem to handle a lot more than just regular security...if you can even call them security. aren't they armed too?


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What else would you call them?

Quasi-cops?

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The correct term is "Rent - A - Cop".


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MTM wrote:
The correct term is "Rent - A - Cop".


Huh...I woulda thunk "wannabees".

:lol:

I especially like how their cars resemble the old-style King County SO cars, color-wise.

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sounds like their bacon isn't as fake as some think...read the rest of their site, here's a bit of it.

From their website:
http://firstresponsesecurity.com/servic ... copy1.html
Alarm Response

Many alarm users do not know that police response to alarms is no longer a high priority. For example in Portland, Oregon it is a level 4. This level is "after all other higher level calls are responded to." In Vancouver, WA alarm calls are dispatched to patrol vehicles and if the officer does not accept the call within 20 minutes, the call disappears as a call waiting. In Seattle, WA each alarm user is allowed one (1) lifetime false alarm and then each response is billed at $125. In Eugene, OR the police no longer respond to alarms unless a private responder or a neighbor calls the police to verify that the alarm is activated and they can see signs of forced entry. Private response is a growing business and a professional company such as First Response can not only provide a personalized response service, but we can many times save our clients fine dollars and at the same time we save valuable police time so they can focus on true emergencies and then respond if there is an actual event. We are the most experienced response company in the Northwest providing peace of mind and quick response.


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HOG WASH ! The Chief of the Portland Police Bureau was the assistant Police Chief of LAPD. And like LAPD and NYPD and most large Metro Police Departments -- about 80 percent or more of all alarms -- are FALSE. They waste time, money and resources in responding to such calls. As are the times -- small alarm companies are being consumed by the large Wall Street Firms that are taking every buck of capital out of the system as they can. No money is being spent on improving the Alarm Companies. Its the same old story with the Private Ambulance groups like AMR and Metro. Most Insurance Groups require or request that any business install some type of an alarm. But there are so few Alarm Companies that even provide a basic service -- that what the consumer gets is a "False" BO Alarm -- that ends up being fined by the Police who have to respond to a false call instead of catching the bad guys and protecting the public. They should outlaw Alarm Companies. Alot of the members of the group have a background as a dispatcher, police officer or radio tech. I ran a Police PSAP in Los Angeles County. the alarms to my center were 91.6 % false. When was the last time you called 911 when you heard a car alarm or 'ringer' business alarm???


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MTM wrote:
HOG WASH ! No money is being spent on improving the Alarm Companies. ... But there are so few Alarm Companies that even provide a basic service -- that what the consumer gets is a "False" BO Alarm -- that ends up being fined by the Police who have to respond to a false call instead of catching the bad guys and protecting the public. They should outlaw Alarm Companies. Alot of the members of the group have a background as a dispatcher, police officer or radio tech. .... When was the last time you called 911 when you heard a car alarm or 'ringer' business alarm???


Some of us also have backgrounds in the Alarm Industry.

Sorry MTM, but I have to disagree with much of this one (I usually DO agree with your posts tho')

While it is very accurate to say that the vast majority of alarm calls into a PSAP are bogus, to blame the companies is NOT accurate.

Statistically, customer error is the SINGLE LARGEST SOURCE of false alarms. You will find this to be true anywhere statistics are kept on this type of problem.

In the 1980's this may not have been the case. Glassbreak detectors would trip when the phone rang or from some punk squealing tires in the parking lot. PIR motion sensors were new,and boy did they SUCK!

However technology has come a long way. I have 2 motion sensors in my home that have not false tripped even once in the last four years, even though I have a CAT that runs in front of it. Advertised as "Pet Proof", and I can attest that it IS pet proof.

False alarms are still a problem, but to blame Alarm Companies, and then to say they should be "outlawed" is inaccurate and unfair.

Admittedly, I am VERY HAPPY to be out of that business (radios are MUCH more fun, and profitable!).

Personally I do agree with the restriction of dispatch on alarms until after verification of an event. It sucks, but hey, it has spawned a whole new industry, 'alarm responders'. And it will be very tough to "outsource" those jobs!!!

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Remember: "Fight Crime, SHOOT BACK!"


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Mobius wrote:
sounds like their bacon isn't as fake as some think...read the rest of their site, here's a bit of it.


Bacon? If they're not commissioned "cops", wouldn't that be something like soy bacon? :lol:

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Interesting site. Their vehicle "resemble" police vehicles? Heh.

I am guessing they are yet another company that puts on a good front to the client, lots of vehicles in the parking lot and all, then falls short like most security firms do.
-Paying their employees $9-$11 an hour, whilst billing the client for $30 or more.
-IME, usually about half of the "patrol" vehicles in the lot are take-homes for management.


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Many alarm users do not know that police response to alarms is no longer a high priority


They should qualify this better. The average corporate/business customer sees this and panics, because after that first sentence, they're thinking more about the alarm response, and less about the facts. PDX area, and Seattle. They don't speak for "police", they speak about 4 agencies.

Fear tactics...And BTW, buy duct tape!


...Of course, I am just playing instigator here

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HOG WASH!


:lol:

Thanks Mike, that made my day!

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:D :D :D If you liked my HOG WASH, wait until I get started and do my Mattlock impersonation. WOW Nelly.


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Try being down here in Las Vegas... I am now working casino secuerity at one of the strips largest. You want to thinnk FR looks like cops. SHould see us. WE look like them and act like them. In fact if we have someone detained for something as little as a prostitute we call and check them for warrants, and if they have em... we take and hold them.

Foot pursuits, our own reports for metro the whole thing.


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:D :D You said it all. Just what the rest of the United States does NOT need is to have "Private Security" or "Alarm Response" persons with Special Police powers. Las Vegas was started by the MOB - the Wise Guys. And the casinos are allowed to use the same type of 1920's ruff stuff on anyone that they wish. It's only a short drive to the desert. No thanks. Washington State has Law Enforcement Officers to protect the public. In Las Vegas -- God help you.


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MTM, youd be surprised about how well this works. Anyoen that knows me knows I have worked with and in law enforcement and plan in being back in. This is not something that is abused, or mob related. What it is is a cooperation between private security and law enforcement.

Everyone thinks bad of security officers, try living in an area where law enforcement relies on their help because of the growing pains and low dollar amounts. Wait - thats Washington State, cant afford to keep police officers on the streets, and the security people are thought of as wanna bees - want to know why so many people move down here per year from Washington, well theres your answer


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