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The regions trunked system managers are all pretty much on the same page and believe it is a benefit not to be encrypted for day-to-day traffic. Most of us feel the general public, if it so desires, can listen into police and fire calls. Snohomish County encrypts tactical talkgroups only and has no intention of encrypting day-to-day traffic. However Snohomish County will be implementing what Motorola calls shuffled band plan along with advanced system key during the rebanding process to increase our security from system hackers (we can't hire all of them...). Currently no scanner manufacturer can implement this channeling approach without the blessing of Motorola (ie a punch of lawyers being invovled) the down side is trunk trakers will no longer work on systems that implement shuffled band plan, its a couple years out but it is on the horizon. Also don't group public safety with public transit, we don't even talk the same language, transit systems are in ther own galaxy far far away...
Ken, I will get you a box of crayons...

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Then why is everyone so tight lipped about talkgroups currently. My open records requests have been met with an amazing amount of "we're not going to tell you anything at all - nothing".

The Port of Seattle was mildly helpful (well, ok, not really, but they told me SOMETHING).

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I have never had a problem...


But then again I just stand in his office and keep farting till he gives me the info I need. :lol:

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Wiz-or anyone else.
I do remember the discussions about how people can continue to monitor but as I get older (and lose more hair) my memory doesn't seem to be as good as it used to be.
Can you remind me when it was (approximately) so I can go back and review it? It would still involve some searching but perhaps not all 24 or 25 pages of this forum.
With regards to encryption and also the Federal government. I really do believe that things have gone haywire. When I read that the city of Skagway, Alaska was given a grant to install and encrypted radio system I was just a little surprised. This is a city as I understand it that has a winter population of around 1,000 people. Granted they do talk to the National Park Service on the radios, but........................ .
Oh well, it's only our tax dollars and I am sure Motorola's profits. I hope with our tax dollar profits they (Motorola or other suppliers) aren't outsourcing their call centers to other parts of the world.
Enough before I get on my soapbox!!!
Gampawayne

Again the policy in Snohomish County is and has been we have no intention of encrypting day-today traffic, It has also been our policy to be pretty open on what the talkgroup fleet map is and answering most questions that get emailed to me.
Now that said, there are technical issues on the horizon that have been forced upon us due to NEXTEL interference, this will have an effect on monitoring Motorola trunked radio systems (the only one I can speak for) for those systems that will be using what is referred to as the Shuffled Band Plan. Snohomish County will implement the Shuffled Band Plan and likely the remainder of the Motorola Systems in Puget Sound. The current manufactures of trunk capable scanners will need to license the technology from Motorola, so now would be the time to start asking your favorite manufacturer when they will have a scanner that will work on the new frequency plan.
Not to come to the aid of Motorola, (and I can assure you I am not one of their favorite customers) but they too are being pressured by external forces, Motorola by no means in the drivers seat. Want to blame someone, I would suggest starting with the FCC Commisioners and their bosses. Too much attention to pie in the sky internet companies and morphing what used to be public radio spectrum into private spectrum for $$$ for the U$ Treasury.

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Now, is that a truly encrypted, local radio system, or a local sub-system of the Alaska statewide P-25 digital trunking system?

And, sure they have a winter population of 860-ish people, but they also host nearly a million tourists between May and September, along with about a zillion cruise ships...And we all know Al-Qaeda is known to summer on the Inside Passage.

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It seems that something is broken -- and needs to be fixed. You walk into your local Starbucks -- and you see almost everyone with a cellphone, laptop or Ipod. Everyone in line is texting or talking. And as you leave -- you see a city police car drive up and around to the rear of the store. He gets out of the car -- wearing heavy military gear. The AR 15 is in full view. The car has no less than two or more radios, internet access, data terminal and a remote TV camera to view almost anything from any where. His radio has high grade military encryption on 700, 800 and 900 mhz trunked radio. Then you notice that he has been dispatched to check on two homeless persons -- trying to look for food or shelter --. Tax dollors well spent ????

:roll: CHP is still on LOW BAND :shock:

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:D :D Yes -- they are. And if you look at the CHP in Orange County -- you will see that the 3 CHP offices are now using a 39 Mhz repeater system ( 39.36 R, 39.44 R and 39.72 R ). And the Orange County Freeway Service Patrol (Tow trucks) are also using repeaters on 39 Mhz ( 39.52 R + 39.86 R ). You can hear it all. And I designed the FSP radio system - Thank You. The CHP and FSP units can talk to each other.

Unless they are ERT, or SWAT, or whatever tactical goomba-hooya they want to call themselves today, on a callout... I still to this day have never seen a regular patrol Cop/Deputy wear anything close to what I have had to wear in the lines of LBV/LBE Pro-vest, Mask, K-pot during my military service.



Now you are talking my language, Every one that is able to own one lawfully should have at least one!.


That being said... I have found a charging handle, and a bolt/bolt carrier IN THE PARKING LOT TO THE PD STATION WHERE I WORK! both at different times, and know of an negligent discharge in the same parking lot by another officer.... If you are worried about some JBT kicking in your door someday and shooting your dog....Well lets hope they continue to only qualify with their duty weapons once a year. :? till then, the AR15 is just a high power .22 that has a military look to it, and I say that is money well spent.



Damn, that sounds nice... The ones I see only have an 800 mhz radio, a useless VHF is still left behind in some, and a cellphone. along with their portable radio. The MDC is apart of life now so that is just fine by me also.

Dont get me wrong, I understand your view point. Im also a guy that thinks that the money is being blown out in the wrong directions. But I sure as heck dont have a problem with an officer with an AR15, Radio, MDC, and the tools needed to do his job..... For the record I dont care for SWAT teams doing the head to toe ninja thing in black/Camo. I grew up understanding that if a guy in black wearing a mask comes into my house, he is a burglar, or a terrorist, and means to do harm. But I dont have any problem with them in blue/tan/green BDU type uniforms w/ kevlar helmets, vests, clearly marked trying to fight crime, and put badguys where they belong.






They are only dispatched to that because some citizen decided it was worth a call to 9-1-1. I dont know of any officer/Deputy that is going to pull out his AR for a welfare check. :roll:

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Our local Starbucks uses HME digital spread spectrum for their drive-up
order windows. Guess they don't want us to hear how much they are
charging for those long named expensive coffee the homeless people
are drinking. :lol:

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So, P25 supports about eight different kinds of encryption, from 40-bit to hardcore 256-bit AES. Is there a common standard that's used by most agencies, or do they always use the 256-bit AES option?

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shamelessly stolen from IMAO
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Sorry, Hijack over. :D

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