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| Author: | Jim [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | SF area officer, passenger injured during arrest |
Has anyone found this on Youtube? Any California on here monitor BART? http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.c ... 406267.htm |
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| Author: | jrw14493 [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SF area officer, passenger injured during arrest |
<soap box> Excessive force my ass. I haven't seen the video but when you resist and scream and yell the whole time and require the public to assist in taking you down, expect to get the shit beat out of you. Of course it takes some damn attorney to say, "He didn't have to use that much force." We had an officer involved shooting here a few years back where a man was weilding a gun at an officer so the cop shot him and down he went. Then later on that night on the news the family was crying and whining and snot running down their faces, "Why didn't they just shoot him in the leg? Why did they have to kill him?" :puke: C'mon folks...seriously.... </soap box> |
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| Author: | commstar [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SF area officer, passenger injured during arrest |
Much ado about nothing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB0h_NEcNPQ Typical drunk Oakland fool with makeshift weapon in hand. I've been hit with 40oz Bottles of Courage before filled with courage and other things. No fun, gotta move fast like this guy did. The more I watch this video it occurs to me the whole move appears (to me anyway) more like a cell extraction though, betting copper has a corrections background somewhere along the line. I think the Blueman should be commended, he removed an obvious, probably altered threat to several BART patrons to a safe location in quick,efficient manner. Copper could have gone a bit higher on the force continuum and been golden if you ask me (taser). In many NORCAL agencies Taser is preferred to physical intervention (by City Attorneys mostly) as they feel it lowers the risk of injury and therefore claims. Slowly that feeling is changing and not by this incident obviously. It is BART training to remove problems from the trains to the platform so as not to delay the entire system where trains can be hitting a station every three to five minutes depending on which station/time of day. The Glass breakage is clearly collateral, unintended and looks like it might even have been caused. |
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| Author: | jrw14493 [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SF area officer, passenger injured during arrest |
commstar wrote: We get drunk people like that in my work every now and then. You make one reference to the cops and they're out like a poo after a bottle of maalox. I've looked into a tazer to carry at work for those friday and saturday nights but I'm not sure liability and all that stuff should one of those damn attorneys show up. The window had clearly been weakened before and that simply just finished it off. Also, to make this more radio related, you see the officer talking on one in the video. |
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| Author: | Wilrobnson [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SF area officer, passenger injured during arrest |
jrw14493 wrote: Also, to make this more radio related, you see the officer talking on one in the video. BART used an ECRAP, uh, I mean EDACS system the last time I was in SF. Funny how it came in really well in some areas that were nowhere near transit stuff, and lousy near stations. |
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| Author: | Jim [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SF area officer, passenger injured during arrest |
At least the civilians tried to help the officer by calling 911 and to stop the officers bleeding :bowdown: |
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| Author: | commstar [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SF area officer, passenger injured during arrest |
Wilrobnson wrote: jrw14493 wrote: Also, to make this more radio related, you see the officer talking on one in the video. BART used an ECRAP, uh, I mean EDACS system the last time I was in SF. Funny how it came in really well in some areas that were nowhere near transit stuff, and lousy near stations. Yeah they are still on 800 EDACS.There is a BART feed up on another site if anyone cares. Those windows are smoked bronze tempered glass and it is not difficult to break them. I know of a incident where a guy threw a backpack at someone trying to rob him, missed the intended target, hit one of those windows and ended up on three stories below only to be hit by an AC Transit bus. BART PD was on 453.1500 R (136.5) prior to EDACS and the trains were on 160.4100, i thought both systems worked exceptionally well above and below ground and they had sole access to the channels in nine counties. The EDACS system seems to work well in their 200 whatever mile long, 50 foot wide primary jurisdiction. |
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| Author: | the Outlaw [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SF area officer, passenger injured during arrest |
'nother day at work. Hook em before they react. |
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| Author: | TMF [ Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SF area officer, passenger injured during arrest |
Video has already been pulled from YouTube due to Copyright claims by, what Im guessing is, the dirtbag part of this story! :puke: |
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| Author: | commstar [ Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SF area officer, passenger injured during arrest |
Well, now you see the insidiousness of the litigious society that is the Golden State. Guilt and innocence are often not as big a factor as economics in deciding to defend these cases or settle. Public entities in California are so accustomed to being sued that they will often have set practice to settle below a certain dollar amount than defend the suit with no regard to liability. Interestingly, BART has had that reputation in the past. With the Oscar Grant shooting even a mongoloid night school attorney (no offense to you mogoloids out there) has a pretty decent 'prior consistent act' to cite in a civil suit.Seems to be a bay area attorneys wet dream to 'demonstrate' to a jury that a pattern and practice of X or Y behavior on an institutional/department cultural level. Most of the time all it really proves it that their client is an idiot troublemaker who got caught and there other idiot troublemakers who have been caught before. Hey juries seem to really eat it up though. Many city attorneys who regularly defend these suits feel it is cheaper in the long run to negotiate a settlement than go to court and roll the dice on the outcome- particularly in Northern Alameda County- where this incident occurred. Atype of fixing costs if you will. In a locale where the jury pool tends to be very liberal, to the point of nullification it is viewed a doubly efficient. The point you made about the videograpaher being involved is likely not far from the mark. There is a payday somewhere for someone here. The original link I posted did have some mention of http://www.copwatch.com/forums/. Spend a few minutes there and you will see they are not the ladies auxiliary of the PBA. Having stated the obvious, I will step away from the keyboard now. Mike |
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